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AmeliaR
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| Posted: Feb 20, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: Where do rights come from? |
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BeeTooman
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There are many different views about the nature and origin of morality. Animal rights activists have varying opinions about the answer to this question, just as the rest of the public has varying opinions about the answer to this question.
Some animal rights activists believe that all our ethical guidelines are the creation of human societies, and believe that animals should be included in our human made ethical codes. Other animal rights activists believe that our moral laws come from God, and believe that it is God's will for humans to include animals in our sphere of compassion. Other animal rights supporters have many other views.
My personal view is that moral laws come from the same place that the law of gravity comes from. I explain my reasoning for this view in my other web page, which deals with morality in general. I need to emphasize that the views I express there are my own personal opinions, and do not necessarily reflect the views of other animal rights supporters.
From Animal Rights and Vegetarian Ethics by Eugene Khutoryansky
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GreenBro
Passionated Vegan Talker
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are you asking about rights in general ? or about animal rights ?
there some diference !  |
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Sergio
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| If you believe that morals come from God please answer a question, are these moral laws right because they came from God, or they came from God because they're right? |
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GreenBro
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first law was natural law ! the nature give us fruits ... so in order to survive you must eat and you have the roght to collect those fruits ! ... that`s the first theory of law ! what about animals ... in some states ... this was just religion interdiction ! becose some animals were considered sacred ! .... tht`s it  |
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AndyBa
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As Einstein once said we Humans need our morality more than Gods need it from us and more then animals need it.
In the end the quality of our lives totally depends on it.
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Red Jester
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Joined: 04 May 2007
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Location: Garden Grove, CA
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Rights come from the majority's consent, whether it be human or animal.
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BigBecka
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I disagree, Red Jester! If the majority of people say that women or ethnic minorities have no rights, does that mean they don't have any?
Uh, I just re-read it... Yes, I suppose they don't... 
OK, but if the majority of people deprive a minority of rights: that doesn't mean the minority are not entitled to them 
I think there is a difference between rights (granted by society) and morality (which... I don't know where it comes from... God? The long term good of society?) |
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WarChild
Passionated Vegan Talker
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| Rights come from the majority's consent, whether it be human or animal. |
I disagree.
Laws were invented to control the crowd.
Laws were restricting freedom.
So "rights" were invented too.
Rights are abstract and fake, but that's enough to trick the average silly human being which is a part of the crowd.
Feel free to call me anarchist |
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BigBecka
Animal defender
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YOU ANARCHIST! 
It's not a bad thing - there is a philospohy that we will evolve towards an anarchistic utopian society
Then we won't have rights... I wonder what will happen to the animals?  |
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