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FatalError · corpse eater Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 15

A question frequently posed by vegetarians is: how can you justify killing an innocent animal for food? This question may seem difficult to answer at first but really it is not.

Would it be reasonable to ask a lion to justify his killing of an innocent gazelle? Of course not: it is natural for the lion to kill the gazelle and that is justification enough. And what of a gazelle's right not to be eaten? Put this way, you can see that such questions are really meaningless. The same is true for us, for we are not a vegetarian species.

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Bative · Vegan Talk noob Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 1

as well..

If we had large sharp teeth and claws, and could run 50 miles an hour, sure I'd eat meat too. Were at the technology age where we don't actually have to hunt down and capture our foods. We just drive to the store and buy it.

(btw: it has been proven that humans digestive systems are in fact meant to be vegetarian..)
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bojster · Posted: Apr 6, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject:

Actually, human digestive systems are not entirely herbivorous, more like omnivorous, just in case of some drought or other disaster which would make vegetable food hard available (they would then eat carcass until it's all back to normal). But since we live in quite comfortable world now, it's no use in eating anything besides plants. The reasons to do that are many, and on the digestion grouds I can say that the intestines are too long for meat and it begins to rot in the mid-way, which, as you can imagine, is a bit unhealthy. Also, human has not meat-digesting enzymes and proper bacterias are not originally settled inside (that's why a baby cannot eat meat or he/she will be poisoned to death), they're introduced into the body by means of eating some weird Gerber pulps etc. Well... I'm too lazy to write more, but all I can say is that human is definitely herbivorous, but is also flexible to eat other things. Even if they make him live twice shorter and in worse conditions.
I wish you all good health.

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loveatomato · Vegan Talk Beginner Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 5

I have been here for like 5 minutes and can already see that fatal error just likes to start crap.

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Bybo · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 25

Ive got some intresting reading on what humans are "made" to eat.
Unfortunally they are on swedish.
Lucy ower ancester, how lives for 3´000´000 to 3´900´000 years ago, lived on mostly vegetabils like flowers nuts fruits some fiber but also a great lot of insect like ant beetles worm like bugs, and some small animals. Guess something like rabbits rats doglike creatures, and sometimes bigger animals when found dead.

Those apes that are alike us in food digestion, eats some meat.

and so on. Is clear that we are meat eaters however today we eat more meat than we suppose to. We should eat more vegetabilies, but we shouldnt forget the meat either.

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Bybo · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 25

I dont know what you mean with soy analogues. Please inform me with a private message. Thank you.

I said so because Sergio mentioned some bad things that animals do. To compare it with meat eating. Animals does things that are what we humans consider as good ethics and also bad. Like killing you own offspring, eating manure etc. But also animals do good things.
However a omnivor should eat some meat, and the only thing the lion needs to justifie its behavior is that the lion should eat. Thats justification enough for the lion.

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Bybo · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 25

So its just some vegan food that tastes good ?
So what, i like alot of vegan food that is very good to eat. However that is not what we were talking about.

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Bybo · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 25

No its narrow.
Were is the alternative work and buy food why just vegan food ?
Your options are narrow and filled with YOUR opinion.
I´d like to talk ethics but with a starting like that.. No thank you.

Sergio · Vegan Talk Veteran Joined: 24 May 2001 Posts: 227

Bybo · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 25

I got plenty to say about ethics but not with a starter like that.
I will reply to other threads, and id like to discuss ethics.
But i will not waste my time in this thread.
Please reply to the other many thread under questions and answers wich is unreplied by vegans. Do you lack argumentation there just because you dont answer ?

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Good news

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

A lot of you vegetarians and vegans need to accept other people and realise that you can care about the environment and animals and not be a vegetarian. I hate it when vegetarians won't quit pushing their ideas on others after they have made up their mind. It's not fair to make people feel bad, people who donate money to causes that help the environment and animals. It's not fair to make them feel like they aren't doing a thing to help and that they are just going around killing anything natural in their path. They are doing what they have made up their mind to do to help. They don't feel the need to switch to vegetarianism and they don't have to. It's really starting to make me feel bad, with you going on and on about how horrible it is to eat meat when I'm really trying my best to help the environment. I should just stop hanging around vegetarians and vegans completely! You aren't helping the environment by pushing your morals on others. You are making people feel bad, and if they believe you when you say they are making the world a worse place by eating meat, they'll give up. That will be one less person doing their part, because you won't shut up and let them make their OWN FREAKING DECISIONS!

And it wasn't made to be vegetarian, it was probably made to survive when there was no meat. A closed-minded vegetarian wrote whatever stupid article you got that from.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

You guys are starting to make me predjudiced on all vegheads because you are SO rude to the people who care, but still eat meat! EATING ONLY VEGHEAD FOOD WON'T save the giant panda. It won't stop people from building houses on rainforests. THE CHICKEN AND COW aren't endangered, not even near threatened. People have been eating these animals for years and they are still a thriving species! What does that tell you? We don't need to worry about them dying off or anything! So why complain about them?
Oh, yeah. The "Animal Rights" thing. Riiight....
Like that video that forces people to not eat meat. I haven't watched it. Because I already know its effects.

AndyBa · Lord of the posts Joined: 27 May 2001 Posts: 670

MomoPeach, why are you feeling bad?
try reading this, here are some good answers to some good questions:
http://ar.vegnews.org/

Cheers!
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The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk, horses' milk, or giraffes' milk. ~Michael Klaper, M.D., author of Vegan Nutrition: Pure & Simple

frondescence · Vegan Talk Beginner Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 2

So if eating Vegan is supposed to be how humans are meant to eat, why do you need artificial vitamins in foods or pills in order to be healthy?

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BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 415

MomoPeach, I'm getting worried about you. I don't think anyone here is trying to force their beliefs on you: this is a vegan website, you don't have to read it. I kind of resent all these flames about Jesus and how we're supposed to eat meat - it looks to me like it's you imposing your beliefs on us.

You've made several references across different threads to vegans starving themselves, or depriving themselves of "real" food. It's true that many people lose some weight when they first become vegan, because meat and dairy are so high calorie compared to vegetables. But most people adjust to this. In fact, a lot of medical groups are starting to see merit in high fruit and veg intake, hence the "five a day" campaign in the UK.

If "God" wants me to eat meat, does that mean he wants me to have a heart attack or catch bowel cancer too?! bom

There are stories about vegans starving or developing malnutrition through poor diet. Has something like this happened to you? Some vegans struggle to maintain their weight (some are built like gorillas!). Sites like this help to educate vegans, so that this happens less. I've also heard of annorexics incoporating veganism as part of their condition - but this doesn't mean vegans are annorexic. Sadly, plenty of meat eaters starve themselves to death too.