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| Posted: Jul 20, 2002 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm so ashamed and confused. I don't want to eat animals, because they have feelings. So do plants, they form scabs when they are damaged. Most fruits and veggies that we eat come off of live plants. Some don't even get to feel the sun (they are in greenhouses) sounds like jail eh? I don't want to eat any veggies that are in fenced in areas or enclosed in fields or orchards. These are no better than feedlots. Where are the free range ones? I'm ashamed of being human, we take advantage of everything! Thanks to you, I can now take the step of killing my evil human self. |
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| Posted: Jul 26, 2002 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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don't commit suicide, if you are dead, than there is no way that you can aid in righting the wrongs of this world. you need to understand that you are doing the best you can. this guilt is in all of us, it's the drive that pushes us to do all we can to make the world better, for everyone and everything. direct the guilt into action, and you can do great things, but if you take your own life, you are not helping any cause. if you are dead, how can you spread the word of animal (or plant) rights? how can you make a difference if you are unable to talk? how can you act with passion that others can see your example and follow if you cannot feel? others feel the same, understand, please, that we are all just doing the best we can...
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dragonfly
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| Posted: Sep 11, 2002 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| This message board needs more people. |
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sXeJVeg
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| Posted: Sep 13, 2002 4:08 am Post subject: |
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I agree, but if all the posters here do is talk about suicide, i don't know how many people that will attract 
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dragonfly
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| Posted: Sep 20, 2002 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah that seems like a rather off-beat topic. As in a bad approach. i guess somebody wants to spread the feelings of distrust and moral incongruence here on too thick. |
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Karyuu
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Heh, I realize I'm replying rather late to this topic, but you guys asked for more visitors, so here I am o_O I wanted to mention an Arrogant Worms song - Carrot Juice Is Murder. It's quite a laugh  Check out the lyrics, at least. I recommend it. *nods*
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Dodic
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| Posted: Apr 6, 2003 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Karyuu: Where can we see the lyrics?
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Dodic
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| Posted: Apr 6, 2003 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| I don't want to eat animals, because they have feelings. So do plants, they form scabs when they are damaged. |
How do you know plants have feelings?
Do vegetables and fruits try to avoid you when you pick them up from plants?
I don't think so... Do carrots and tomatos try to run when you cut them for salads? Hm...
Actualy vegetables and fruits are designed as food for animals. It's a way for plants to reproduce themsleves. Seeds in these fruits are not
digestable so they go out with feces which is a good fertiliser.
Did you ever thought why most ripe fruits have such bright colors and sweet aromas? I don't think that's because they want to hide from you.
I think it's quite oposite.
Another thing is eating seeds and nuts.
But you can compare seeds and nuts with sperm, usualy men waste a lot of it just for pleasure and only a very small amount is really used for reproduction. Usually the strongest sperm succedes thus is the nature of evolution the same is with plants. Only with plants human decide which seeds are good for reproduction and which can be used as food.
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Karyuu
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| Posted: Apr 6, 2003 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I should've posted a link, m'sorry  Carrot Juice Is Murder
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Dodic
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Wow! Where can we listen it?
This is cool:
I saw a man eating celery, so I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I'll bite him clean in two
I'm a political prisoner, trapped in a windowless cage
Cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips by killing five men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, "This is my finest hour,
I'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower"
Chorus
How low as people do we dare to stoop,
Making young broccolis bleed in the soup?
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
Let potted plants free, don't mash that potato!
Oh spare the spud! Eat a cow instead!
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Karyuu
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Well, I have it on a cd, but you could download it with a peer-to-peer program, like Morpheus or KaZaA. ...*searches for a bit*... Actually, you can download it from here. Scroll down to the free mp3 downloads, and it's listed there By the Arrogant Worms, of course. They're such a humorous Canadian group.
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They don't have a brain or nervous system, thus can't feel pain as such nor can they have a sense of self-being. No more then a lump of mold anyway. They cannot feel sad or happy.
Well okay, they are alive and plants like all life forms need respect. But unlike animals they can't feel pain or suffering. So in light of this you shouldn't feel bad for eating them.
However, I do see where you are coming from with this. I hate having to eat planets and such too. However I have to if I wish to carry out my life. |
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adam
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| Posted: Apr 22, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: Please reconsider |
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| Anonymous wrote: |
| I'm so ashamed and confused. I don't want to eat animals, because they have feelings. So do plants, they form scabs when they are damaged. Most fruits and veggies that we eat come off of live plants. Some don't even get to feel the sun (they are in greenhouses) sounds like jail eh? I don't want to eat any veggies that are in fenced in areas or enclosed in fields or orchards. These are no better than feedlots. Where are the free range ones? I'm ashamed of being human, we take advantage of everything! Thanks to you, I can now take the step of killing my evil human self. |
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| Hi 'Anonymous,' It is very commendable of you for feeling so deeply, but we are human and on Earth this day, we are to live and learn, if we subsist on vegetables ...so be it, the best one can do. But if you should be in a position without food, one can survive by placing your fingertips together and exhale all breath, this is not recommended for usual 'meals' but in an emergency, ...if one trys to use daily it will not comletely suffice for nutritional needs. Don't forget to separate fingertips when need to inhale. Best of fortune, ak |
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adam
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| Posted: Apr 22, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Kelsk wrote: |
They don't have a brain or nervous system, thus can't feel pain as such nor can they have a sense of self-being. No more then a lump of mold anyway. They cannot feel sad or happy.
Well okay, they are alive and plants like all life forms need respect. But unlike animals they can't feel pain or suffering. So in light of this you shouldn't feel bad for eating them.
However, I do see where you are coming from with this. I hate having to eat planets and such too. However I have to if I wish to carry out my life. |
Hi kelsk, Not to place too much worry about the feelings of plants...but wish to claim everything is alive, and should be respected for their value to all, I expect they feel and sense. But your understanding of our place on Earth is of merit, and sober, quite mature. Best of fortune, ak |
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cowpie
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I think Guest #1 doth pulleth our leg. Maybe suicide will put him out of our misery  |
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Alistar
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| Posted: Feb 20, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Cowpie, why don't you help him you know how hard sometimes is to comit a suicide? 
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rshar538
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| Posted: Apr 8, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: plants have no feeling |
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| i read in my science book that they have no central nervous system which enables us to feel pain. So i guess plants have no feeling, we can eat them without feeling guilty. |
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