Vegan Forum

Sure there are contacs between any agricultureal ministry and the Farmers with their coalitions (what you call milk boards, agri buisness) But to go so far to calling normal contacs for bribe is a bit to conspiracy. Okay im not in those legues but however i dont think its reasonble to believe that m...

This might sound like a childing jump on you but,
most people grow up and starting to eat meat.
This might be because for some part of the veg*, its just a fashion thing.
Besides its more healthy to give a baby healthy food and that is normal mixed food and no vegan food.

Yes i was coming to that. I did a bit of talking with my friend the doctor student. He looked in some books and said that the biggest part of cholesterol came from the bodie itself. And it´s not the intake of cholesterol that really matters its what you do with it. I didnt understand everything he s...

I think that your disbeliefe in the goverment is unneccesary. NZ MAF´s money comes from the public and not from the agriculture. But hey thats your problem. Talking about child abuse. I was tipped by a german about a article in Der Spiegel. I´ve heard about der spiegel before and i think it´s a prop...

After making a very simple search i found this page. http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2002/feb/13/vegetarian3.htm Wich that text proberbly came from. That leads my quest for the references to this page. http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/2/vegetarian_ref.htm And i will call you with this writning from th...

Why is those pages so popular?
I get the feeling that most people use them as a their opinions.
Dont people have their own opinion? Dont these people got a ability to anser things themself?

I will give you a quote from here : ------- If we didn't raise animals for food, then they would never have had the chance to be born and experience life at all. Considering how the vast majority of farm animals are currently raised in modern industrialized agriculture, these animals would have bee...

I will give you a quote from here : ------- If we didn't raise animals for food, then they would never have had the chance to be born and experience life at all. Considering how the vast majority of farm animals are currently raised in modern industrialized agriculture, these animals would have bee...

I see that i didnt express my self clear enough. There is no need or requirement for using chemicals to grow vegetabiles or care of a livestock. However chemical use is the most effecient way to grow crops. If i choose to use chemicals when growing crops so that i will increase the growth of the cr...

Life is something good. Life is something that we shall take care of. I see the raising of cattle and other animals as a symbiosis between two species. We give them life, a so good life we can offer. We give them food shelter medication care. The animals give us their meat. (These animals get someth...

I got plenty to say about ethics but not with a starter like that. I will reply to other threads, and id like to discuss ethics. But i will not waste my time in this thread. Please reply to the other many thread under questions and answers wich is unreplied by vegans. Do you lack argumentation there...

No its narrow.
Were is the alternative work and buy food why just vegan food ?
Your options are narrow and filled with YOUR opinion.
I´d like to talk ethics but with a starting like that.. No thank you.

So its just some vegan food that tastes good ? So what, i like alot of vegan food that is very good to eat. However that is not what we were talking about. People when hungry can do the following things: Work and buy vegan food Kill an animal and eat it Steal some food Kill some person and take his ...

I see that i didnt express my self clear enough. There is no need or requirement for using chemicals to grow vegetabiles or care of a livestock. However chemical use is the most effecient way to grow crops. If i choose to use chemicals when growing crops so that i will increase the growth of the cro...

What are the good health aspects then ? Zero cholesterol intake. But would you ask a cannibal not to eat people for health reasons, or because it is wrong? Im just asking. No need for you cannibalism thoughts. Is zero cholesterol really possible ? If so is it really good to have no cholesterol? Wha...

What are the good health aspects then ?

Isnt it true that vegan and vegetarians often lack vitamines and minerals like b12 iron calcium vitamin D and so on ?

And isnt it also true that vegans often get anorexia eating disorders and often kill them selfs ?

Yes B12 is enormus important. But also vegans and vegetarians has often low rates of b12. This is very dangoures. Some quots are in english but the rest of the page is in swedish, sorry. I might find the "investigation", "report" or "science result" what ever to call it...

Here´s a link to a site that describes the Least harm principle. http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm I havent checked the background or the reliability of publicer. Hmm ive checked som parts of the rest of the page, there is a bit about animal "right" movement. (hate that...

Yes, it doesn't demand, but people often use it, especially when they are not controlled by anybody. Sure no crops are in any demand of any pesticide herbicide or fungicide. But it grows alot better if used correct. But that is not the ponit. Grass is in lesser need for chemicals if compared to cro...

I dont know what you mean with soy analogues. Please inform me with a private message. Thank you. I said so because Sergio mentioned some bad things that animals do. To compare it with meat eating. Animals does things that are what we humans consider as good ethics and also bad. Like killing you own...

Ive got some intresting reading on what humans are "made" to eat. Unfortunally they are on swedish. Lucy ower ancester, how lives for 3´000´000 to 3´900´000 years ago, lived on mostly vegetabils like flowers nuts fruits some fiber but also a great lot of insect like ant beetles worm like bugs, and s...

I sometimes uses this. If it really is the amount of animals that are killed that matters. Then humans should eat whale meat. When killing a Whale no other animals are hurt. And whales are big, they provide most meat per kill. I actually dont care, I dont expect you to start killing whales. I dont t...

So when you dont got a good anserw to someone you discredit them with bullshit.

Well i cant anserw for how things are in the states. Never been there. But as you describe it, it really sounds terrible. However i know that feeding cows with dead cows isnt a great idea. It´s even illegal in a great number of countries. Some reasons for that is because that could spread Mad cow de...

Didnt Actually read all of FatalErrors post but AndyBa isnt right. Animal agriculture does not demand any great amounts of pesticide. In sweden we almost never use any sort of pesticide on grass, and some on grain, but we instead uses many more pesticide treatment on vegetabils like potatoes and let...