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Does anyone think that we vegetarians can come off as arrogant sometimes?

Any man can come off as arrogant sometimes.
Do you mean by being vegetarian?

I mean vegetarians who look down on others because they eat meat. I am speaking of vegetarians who consider the lifestyle an elitist society. I am speaking of vegetarians who have no tact when dealing with individuals who choose to eat meat.

Meat eaters suck. And so do (though considerably less) vegetarians. Go vegan!

I know i feel extremely sef concious when an omni asks me the question "so, why are you vegan?" (when it's someone who's blatantly not interested, or they are waiting to pick apart my reasons) ..
I say my piece & wait for the ==>

xDDx

bojster wrote:Meat eaters suck. And so do (though considerably less) vegetarians. Go vegan!

Khm... suck what?

I say my piece & wait for the ==>

And do they usaully give you the ==> ?

Dodic wrote:suck what?

Create vacuum.

bojster wrote:Meat eaters suck. And so do (though considerably less) vegetarians. Go vegan!

People like you piss me off. If it weren't for that sort of attitude among vegetarians/vegans, omnivores probably wouldn't be so judgemental about us. The judgements obviously go both ways, and it isn't completely on the omnivores' shoulders.

Just a thought. Live and let live.

I pee on thee.

preach wrote:Does anyone think that we vegetarians can come off as arrogant sometimes?

No. We are attempting to restructure our lives, to meet the needs of a more compassionate lifestyle.

edit: bad english

bojster wrote:I pee on thee.

i agree.

Yes. And violent too, sometimes, which is worse. Admiring tigers and dispising humans will never make sense to me.

I think tolerance is the #1 thing. How is the world going to get better if we keep hating eachother? Vegans shouldn't despise vegetarians because, at least, we are all trying to make a difference. No, meat-eaters aren't contributing to their health or the well-being of animals, but we should still tolerate them without hate.

Tuffenoughtorock wrote:I think tolerance is the #1 thing. How is the world going to get better if we keep hating eachother? Vegans shouldn't despise vegetarians because, at least, we are all trying to make a difference. No, meat-eaters aren't contributing to their health or the well-being of animals, but we should still tolerate them without hate.

I have to disagree.
1) Tolerance isn't and shouldn't be the #1 thing because it will turn to indifference.

2)Generaly speaking - "Meat-eaters" do contribute to health and well-being of animals. For examples wolves are meat eaters and they hunt, usually weak and sick animals which results in a stronger and healthier herd.

not at all. i've never really observed any vegetarian or vegan putting on airs (e.g. club mentality) when speaking with non-vegetarians/vegans. why so?

a previous post refered to our lifestyle as an "elite". well, sure speaking probabilistically we may do well in the long-run health-wise, however you can not outsmart/outrun genetic pre-dispositions to disease.

preach wrote:I am speaking of vegetarians who consider the lifestyle an elitist society.

Those aren't vegetarians, those are snobs

I think that the vegan life is all about compassion-for human and non-human animals. I think that we all do the best we can given our view of the world at the time. Most of us were not always vegan. We need to show understanding.

Vegan Grandma

I totally agree with Vegan Grandma.

Vegan Grandma wrote:I think that the vegan life is all about compassion-for human and non-human animals.

What do you mean by "human animals"?

What do you mean by "human animals"?

I think she meant humans. We are animals aren't we?

And regarding the topic. I haven't yet met arrogant vegans. May be they become arrogant in a hot dispute?

I've occasionally come accross people who think that vegetarians and vegans are arrogant and selfish - this is usually because they do not know much about vegetarianism themselves. For example, chefs and caterers who have only been trained to prepare meat dishes (and, in some cases, consider vegetarian food to be beneath them!) or who don't run rigorously clean kitchens or cook from scratch - so it embarrasses them when you ask if there's any dairy in the food

I once lived with someone who wouldn't eat off cutlery or crockery that had been used to eat meat with, even if it was clean! She was a lovely, caring person, and quite genuinely just did not like the idea of meat having been on her crockery. But other people always thought she was very unreasonable and arrogant - she would rarely eat out socially, and went spare if someone borrowed a fork or something! I guess we're all different...

She was a lovely, caring person, and quite genuinely just did not like the idea of meat having been on her crockery.

She was? what happened to her?
Actually I'm like this I mean lovely and caring
kidding.. I have this thing, I don't like to see flesh on crockery at my home, and in my fridge. There have never been, I know it's a stupid thing in a way, but I just don't like it. That is what my girlfriend couldn't understand. She was seeing it as paranoia, and she saw me eating from plates at my friend's house which isn't veg. She thought it's not fair toward her. So eventually we separated.
And the truth is that I just wanted deep inside for her to become a veg sooner. Didn't work - patience is a virtue after all.

She was? what happened to her?

She married a zoologist who believed eating meat was justified because animals have a different nervous system I wonder what mealtimes at their house is like...

Yeah, I feel a bit I got bad hormones again... I can cope with meat having been on my crockery, so long as it's been cleaned. I know what you mean about the fridge though - my fridge always seems to smell of sausages I've bleached it and put lemons in there.... Sorry to hear about the girlfriend - that must have been hard. I'm lucky to be surrounded by some relatively understanding people!

BigBecka wrote:

She was? what happened to her?

She married a zoologist who believed eating meat was justified because animals have a different nervous system I wonder what mealtimes at their house is like...

Is this a true story? I also wonder...

Carnivores are arrogant. Most of them have absolutely no compassion or empathy if you are medically required to eat vegan (which is my case).

They care not a whit that you can't sit with them and have a bacon cheeseburger. They think a salad and crackers is all you need. Beans? The only beans they ever eat are canned, which explains why they hate beans.

Well, I often find carnivores to feel theatened by vegan/ vegetarianism. However, many are, indeed, quite tolerant. For myself, I truly don't care if some one is a carnivore. Each to their own. I also refuse to be a vegan evangelist. What I do find very annoying is when vegans and vegetarians are 'facist', if you will. I have come across total intolerance on the behalf of vegans, most especially. I am thinking of a band bbs I used to frequent, and have left because of this and other reasons. I have a friend who has been a long time vegan, and like me, he has zero tolerance for people who are... Intolerant, lol.

Vegan Grandma wrote:I think that the vegan life is all about compassion-for human and non-human animals. I think that we all do the best we can given our view of the world at the time. Most of us were not always vegan. We need to show understanding.

Vegan Grandma

Indeed. Wise words, grandma!

preach wrote:Does anyone think that we vegetarians can come off as arrogant sometimes?

Yes.

Not eating animals, does not automatically entitle someone to force their opinions on others; especially if the info, that he/she is espousing, is baseless and not properly researched.

wude wrote:

preach wrote:Does anyone think that we vegetarians can come off as arrogant sometimes?

Yes.

Not eating animals, does not automatically entitle someone to force their opinions on others; especially if the info, that he/she is espousing, is baseless and not properly researched.

And yet carnivores seem to do exactly that all the time. If they aren't extolling the virtues of eating animal flesh, it's usually because they're too busy sticking their noses in the air, regarding vegan food choice.

You're so smug. We vegans have to tolerate the most ignorant, non-empathetic, non-accommodating restaurants and eating companions on a daily basis. "Force their opinions?" Yes, indeed, we will do so because of your ignorance and intolerance.

RandyK wrote:

wude wrote:

preach wrote:Does anyone think that we vegetarians can come off as arrogant sometimes?

Yes.

Not eating animals, does not automatically entitle someone to force their opinions on others; especially if the info, that he/she is espousing, is baseless and not properly researched.

And yet carnivores seem to do exactly that all the time. If they aren't extolling the virtues of eating animal flesh, it's usually because they're too busy sticking their noses in the air, regarding vegan food choice.

You're so smug. We vegans have to tolerate the most ignorant, non-empathetic, non-accommodating restaurants and eating companions on a daily basis. "Force their opinions?" Yes, indeed, we will do so because of your ignorance and intolerance.

Hold on there. You completely missed my point.

First of all, I'm not a smug carnivore, because I'm a vegetarian.

What I was referring to is that many vegetarians are so gung-ho that they often just go off on a tangent without checking their facts; like you just did.

If you truly want to convince meat-eaters to be vegetarian, then at least, do the research and get the facts right; otherwise you're likely to cause more harm than good. I hope that you see what I mean.